In this episode of Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond, we are discussing Gratitude, Gathering and the power of storing positive experiences in building true resilience, a more positive outlook on life and a whole suite of additional benefits! Dr Lauren Tober, a Clinical Psychologist, Life Coach and Yoga Teacher based in the Byron Shire is with us in the studio, she is the founder of acclaimed photographic happiness project Capturing Gratitude and runs a heart-centred practice in Mullumbimby - the Centre for Mind Body Wellness, where a gorgeous array of practitioners supports individuals in the local community to lead a life of wholeness, happiness, health and authenticity. Listen to our celebration of World Gratitude Day, in the podcast below.
we must see that it is not happiness that makes us grateful, but gratefulness that makes us happy
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Capturing Gratitude is a global photographic happiness project founded by Clinical Psychologist Dr Lauren Tober, with the lofty goal of increasing worldwide happiness. The research is clear, a daily gratitude practice increases our physical and emotional health. And sharing our gratitude spreads the joy even wider. The idea behind Capturing Gratitude is simple. Pause throughout the day to take photographs of things you’re grateful for, then share them online to create a ripple effect around the world.
Dr Lauren Tober, a Clinical Psychologist, Yoga Teacher and Gratitude Photographer based in the small town of Mullumbimby Australia, stumbled upon gratitude photography by accident. After ditching her DSLR for her iPhone camera one day, Lauren started taking photos of things she was grateful for, just for fun. But Lauren felt the effects of this simple gratitude practice immediately. “I started radiating happiness almost right away” she says. “I thought gratitude photography would be a fun creative project, I had no idea the profound effect it would have on my own happiness and those around me!”
And the research is backing up Dr Lauren’s experience. Robert Emmons, one of the world’s most prominent gratitude researchers has found that a short and simple gratitude practice has far reaching effects on both our emotional and physical health. In an early gratitude study, Emmons and McCullough asked hundreds of individuals to either record things they were grateful for, record hassles from their daily life or simply record any events that had affected them (2003)1.
In a series of studies with hundreds of participants, they found that those who had been randomly assigned to the gratitude condition:
Not bad for a simple shift in focus!
More recently, Rash, Matsuba and Prkachin (2011) found that grateful contemplation resulted in increased physiological coherence, suggesting increased activation of the parasympathetic nervous system (the relaxation response) and decreased activation of the sympathetic nervous system (the stress response)2. Their research indicated that being grateful reduces stress and increases wellbeing. All the gratitude research to date has confirmed what we already know, that counting our blessings is good for us, and those around us.
Nobody sums this research up better than Brother David Steindl-Rast, who says “we must see that it is not happiness that makes us grateful, but gratefulness that makes us happy.”
Tips for taking in the good with Rick Hanson.
Lauren and I discussed the work of Rick Hanson's on the podcast, below is a wonderful intro to what he is all about. His books mentioned were Resilient and Just One Thing. You can listen to Lauren's interview with Rick here and more like it on her website.
Consent is on everyone's lips. From media discussion about 'enthusiastic consent' in sexual encounters
to medical requirements for 'informed consent', it seems pretty clear there is a problem with 'consent'.
If consent was what mattered, we would not need to prefix it with a qualifier.
Consent is about freeing someone of liability. To seek consent is to clearly express a desire for a
particular action or outcome. The person seeking consent has the power position. They are placing
someone in a position where it is known they are expected to consent. To not consent is to ‘refuse’ or
‘decline’. To not consent can be met with repeated asking – coercion – until consent is relented. It can
also be met with increasing pressure and threats. In some situations consenting to ‘step one’ is treated
as consent to any subsequent steps.
In medicine, it is a legal requirement to obtain ‘Informed consent’. The legal role of the person seeking
consent is to provide full disclosure of the procedure…and any subsequent ones that may arise. In
maternity care, this consent is often sort at the critical moment, under intense stress and pressure. The
‘informed’ component means “I told you what I was legally required to” not “you know all you need to
know to decide what is right for you”. It does not mean all options were understood or available.
When it comes to pregnancy and birth, it is possible avoid this situation. This means considering various
possibilities in advance, and taking the time to look at the risks and benefits of different options and
make an informed decision about the direction to go. So if ‘consent’ is requested it can be given as
actual informed consent, or confidently declined knowing that the decision is valid and based on
Reflecting on that, replace ‘consent’ with ‘decision’ and the implied yes is removed. The person seeking
consent may still recommend, assume or prefer a particular outcome, but when framed as a decision
the other possible outcomes become visible. With ‘consent’, only one outcome is spotlighted.
This simple shift in language may just be the key to helping reduce birth trauma.
Above image by Rawpixel on Unsplash.com.
As a midwife, I face the enormous and important task of educating women and families on pregnancy, birth and the early days of parenting.
Because a woman’s care is often fragmented and she may see a different midwife or care provider at every appointment, it is very difficult to ensure we are providing all the information and knowledge that a mother is deserved so she can make informed decisions throughout her care.
A study in 2010, ‘Queensland Centre for Mothers and Babies: Having a Baby in Queensland', states that in their study of over 3500 women, 70% of women who had an epidural felt uninformed or did not provide consent to the procedure. They also stated 26% of women had not been informed or consented to their episiotomies. As midwives, how can we better ensure women are involved in their care and informed appropriately?
I have worked in several models of care, and in my experience, the model of care that can provide the most thorough and informative education, and therefore true informed consent from women, is that of a model where there is continuity such as a midwifery group practice or through a private midwife (look out for our radio podcast all about Privately Practising Midwives in August).
When we work in a model of care where there is not continuity, as midwives, we must really make sure that the women we see receive all the information they need and are actively involved in their care. We must know that the decisions they make are based on INFORMED consent. We have a responsibility and duty of care to keep women and babies safe, and they have a right to be respected and not coerced in their decisions.
Sometimes women make an informed decision that goes against routine or recommended care- they may decline a routine blood test or ultrasound, or decline administration of antibiotics for GBS. We must make sure we find out why she declines, as a woman declining electronic fetal monitoring in labour, may not be opposed to monitoring, but she may be concerned about mobility in labour. We can better understand her needs by asking questions and respecting her right to make her own decisions.
Top photo by Brandi Redd on Unsplash.
I am a midwife and I am a mother to a delightful little toddler.
For the last 6 years I have worked in various locations as a midwife, and informed consent has been an important part of my practice. It is a woman’s right to have autonomy over her body and her baby at all times, and I am legally obliged to discuss the benefits and risks of any procedures or treatments with the women I care for. As a midwife, informed consent is about providing information, offering alternatives, encouraging questions and working together with a woman about her decisions and care.
I knew that becoming a mother would involve a lot of decisions; decisions that I have helped many women make in my years as a midwife. It felt very different to be on the other side of decision-making, rather than on the side of providing information and knowledge. As a mother, Informed consent involved knowing my rights, gathering the information, understanding this information and giving my permission for something to happen, before it happens.
During my pregnancy, I was fortunate to be accepted into a low risk birthing centre for continuous care by a known midwife. This enabled me to develop a trusting relationship with my midwife, and feel safe and supported in the decisions I would make for myself and my baby. I also trusted in the knowledge she shared and that with many months of mutual discussions, she would know how to support me and my choices when it came time to labour and birth.
Informed consent in my pregnancy involved asking lots of questions and seeking further education. It involved plenty of listening and lots of reading. Some of the decisions I needed to make could be made based on the knowledge I already had as a midwife, but the knowledge and decisions were now a lot more important because they also involved my unborn baby.
Something that helped me in decision-making, and something that I offer all women is the BRAINS anagram. This is a valuable tool to have when confronted with an important decision, and can guide you in your discussions with your partner and/or care provider.
B- Benefits: What are the benefits to this procedure/test?
R- Risks: What are the risks associated with this procedure/test?
A- Alternatives: What are the alternatives to this procedure/test?
I- Intuition: What does your intuition tell you? Does the information make sense?
N- Nothing: What if we do nothing/decline this procedure/test?
S- ‘Scuse me: Take some time to discuss your options and make your decision. S can also suggest the need for a second opinion if you require.
By 42 weeks pregnant, my baby had not arrived yet, and my care was handed over to a larger hospital, now without my known midwife by my side. I was armed with my birth plan, outlining my preferences. I was fortunate that a lovely doctor and colleague of mine was on call that night and he took the time to talk through the decisions we needed to make, many of which I had not expected to make in my birth story. I felt educated when I provided consent to procedures, and felt supported in the decisions I made where I declined consent. My baby was born after a long and challenging labour, but I felt empowered because I knew I had educated myself, made important and informed decisions and because I felt respected in the choices I made.
I was the key decision maker in my story.
If you have recently birthed, did you feel you were given adequate information from our care giver so you could make the best decisions for you and your family? Or were you rushed into making decisions that you now feel unsure of? We would love to hear from you at firstname.lastname@example.org.
If you would like to read more about informed consent and your rights, check out these links fromHumanRightsinChildbirth.org, MyBodyMyBaby.com.au, Birthrights.org.uk. And we discuss consent in this podcast: As Long as the Baby is Healthy Part 1
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You have been on an incredible journey throughout your pregnancy and giving birth to your new baby. In fact, this has been a rite of passage where you yourself have moved through a transformation of your own and in a sense have been re-birthed from Maiden to Mother in your own life.
The first weeks, months & even years after birth, is a very sacred time for you and your baby. In, many ancient traditions it is highly recommended for mother and baby to stay at home being cared for by family and friends at least for the first 40 days or longer. During this time, the mother can rest and is fed nourishing foods to sustain her while she recovers from the birth, and conserves her energy for the many hours of feeding and caring for her new baby. If a mother is breastfeeding, it is also important that the new mum is kept hydrated while her body is busy producing litres of milk for her baby every day.
In indigenous or ancient cultures women probably birthed mainly in nature such as a quiet forest, cave, waterhole or lake where she felt safe and secure. As civilizations developed women began birthing in designed space for women menstruating and birthing such as a “Red Tent”, or “Moon Hut”. Here she would stay until she felt fully recovered from the birth and was ready to venture back out into the world and resume her usual daily activities and responsibilities. For some women this may have been 4 – 6 weeks & for other women perhaps, 4 – 6 months depending on how the birth unfolded and her health and resilience in this post birth period.
For most of us, we don't have the luxury of being cared for ‘hand & foot” 24 hours around the clock, however, there are some ways to create our own Red Tent in your home and living spaces.
Within your home or private space, you may call in support from your partner, family friends, the community, healers and other professionals. This may be an attitude that you need to develop if you are not accustomed to asking for help or reaching out for assistance. However, this is a wonderful skill to develop early on in motherhood as it will help sustain you over the many years of mothering, so that you can receive as you give to your child or children. This receiving may be anything from someone making you o cup of tea or a meal, getting a massage, your house cleaned or holding you baby for a 10 minutes while you shower. Importantly, having a support network of people who you can talk with is vital especially for the first 12 months. This generates oxytocin and other feel good hormones, which help establish a healthy mental & physical wellbeing.
Establish a Rhythm
In the beginning, it may feel like any routine you had while you were pregnant has gone completely out the window! That’s ok and part of the process of re-adjusting to life with your baby. Yes, initially your baby will set the rhythm depending on their sleep and feeding times. Even in these early days, you can still be setting up a routine for yourself, for instance, find a period of time every day you enjoy having a shower or bath, for instance between 9-10am everyday. This time frame will vary depending on you and what feels most relaxing & nourishing. And you can do the same for your meal and sleep times. Find an approximate time for breakfast lunch and dinner, and an ideal bedtime. Eventually, over time your baby will fall into your routine more and more.
After giving birth, your body is in recovery mode for at least the first 3 - 6 months (in fact up to two years!) and during this time, your digestion usually slows down considerably. This means that anything that is already cooked will digest easier, compared to raw food that requires much more effort from the stomach and digestive system to break the food down.
Suggested foods are soups, broths, stews & casseroles cooked at lower temperatures, rather than fried or barbequed. Cooking with Ghee (butter heated to remove the milk solids, retaining the precious oil), mild herbs & spices, root vegetables (avoiding ‘gasey’ veg) as well as some animal protein give you the nourishment you need after birth.
Even in India where the bulk of the population are Hindu & therefore, vegetarian, Ayurvedic doctors recommend eating chicken & fish during pregnancy & for the months after giving birth. If you don't eat meat, one possibility is to try bone broth or stocks that you can add to any of your dishes without eating the actual meat. Otherwise, include as much protein & oils into your diet as possible as well as supplements such as iron, zinc, B12 and magnesium (Ideal to check with a kinesiologist or naturopath about which supplements are best)
Relax your Body
Your body has been through many changes throughout the pregnancy, the birth and now as you care for your new baby, possibly spending many hours a day and night feeding, holding & rocking your baby. This means that your body is now working in new ways and holding different positions for long periods of time, such as when you hold or feed your baby, pick your baby up or co-sleep with your baby.
There are a number of ways to keep you body soft and relaxed during this time.
The first way is with oil massage. In India and other traditional cultures, women after giving birth are massaged daily for up to 3 months or more - can you imagine this ?? How divine! Even 1 massage every week or two is extremely beneficial for you physically and mentally, as a new mum. I invested in a weekly massage after having my second child for the first 10 months. My health and vitality was definitely stronger because of this with my second child, compared to with my first child. In addition to receiving an oil massage, you are able to massage yourself everyday. The Black sesame oil contains beneficial nutrients for your body tissues and especially for strengthening your nervous system. This is best done 20-30 minutes before your bath or shower, focusing on the ears, spine, hips, belly and feet. If practical, it is preferable to leave on as much of the oil as possible.
Another easy way to apply oil is to place a teaspoon or 2 in your bath so that your entire body is covered in the oil like a protective coating for your body and nervous system. Like Cleopatra, you can put milk and rose-petals in your bath, to soften your skin, awaken your heart and feel like a goddess. This too is an ancient ayurvedic practice.
Yoga, stretching and exercise are other important ways to regularly stretch & release tight muscles and strengthen particularly, pelvic floor, abdominal muscles. You may want to do this at home in your designated space, even 10 minutes a day is enough to keep muscles limber. After the 3-month mark, if you have a local postnatal yoga class especially for mother (ideally with your baby) this can be a great way to gently come back into your body while you connect with other mothers & babies.
If you feel like movement that will loosen you up, dancing is a great way to relax your body, shake off your day, feel playful and have fun. Combined with music or your favourite song, dancing can take you out of your mind, your tiredness and into world of rhythm, ecstasy and another time & space.
Yes girls, you read this right! Only when you feel ready … find ways to feel sensual and re-connect with your sexual energy (sometimes referred to as Shakti). This might simply be putting on a dress that makes you feel beautiful and sexy. Being creative helps to re-nourish yourself and generate your Shakti. Or having a bubble bath, giving yourself a pedicure and a home-made facial. Organising date nights with your partner is not only fun, it is important to stayed connected as woman and man, not just as mother & father to your child or children. You are giving many hours of each day, so allow yourself to regularly receive massage and/or loving touch from your partner.
Simple Self-Care meditation
Within the first 30-60 minutes of waking, find time for yourself to sit, or lie down if you wont fall asleep. (Ideally in the sacred space you have created for yourself). This meditation can be anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes or more. You may even do this while you are feeding or holding your baby. However, if you find it difficult to concentrate and focus on yourself then it may be best to do this on your own while your child or children are sleeping or cared for by another. It may be that you need to pre-book this time in with your partner or family, so that they know to expect this as part of your daily routine.
Close your eyes, follow the rise & fall rhythm of your breath, notice how your body feels all the way from your toes to the top of your head. Once you feel settled... you may put your hand on your belly & connect with your womb space. If you prefer hands in a yoni mudra go for it or ok if not. Then ask yourself "what do I need for myself today?" The answers may seem simple or ordinary such as '20 minutes to myself', 'a swim in the ocean' or perhaps something deeper such as "a change of job or career', 'a holiday' or 'letting go of a relationship'. Trust what comes to mind. Stay here as long as you need to connect with your needs for that day.
When you are ready to come out of the meditation, be aware of your body sensations, breathing, your 5 senses taking in your experience and being back in the current time and place.
When you feel ready, open you eyes and stretch out. You may want to write down what came to you on a piece of paper to remind you through your day. Alternatively, you could note your meditation and your needs for the day in your journal. It may be interesting to see if there are patterns that emerge over the following weeks, months or years so that you become familiar with your basic needs to keep you balanced, happy & healthy.
I know when I became a mother, I changed, and in a good way. I was the same person with the same face, the same history, the same story but something was different. The word ineffable reflects the metamorphosis that occurs when a woman (or person) becomes a parent. It is hard to put into words the profound shift in identity and purpose that happens when you give birth and slowly grow into motherhood. My guest Kari says in this interview “you don't wake up a mother, it is something you grow into.”
When you become a parent, pre-birth expectations drop away as reality kicks in. Life that perhaps was once goal or career orientated shifts as life with a baby forces a new daily rhythm. A slowing down, surrendering and letting go for a new way of being in the world.
My guest Kari Azuma, leadership development coach and mother, from Santa Barbara, California joins us in a conversation about her transition to motherhood, birth as an opportunity for personal evolution and finding your passion and power as a mother.
This episode focuses the lens on motherhood; my guest Kari specifically works with mothers. Yet, whatever gender you identify as this episode speaks to all parents in the metamorphosis that occurs with the birth of a new family member.
I ask Kari about her reality post having her baby. What it means to slow down. There is a notion of six weeks postpartum and then you go back to your pre-pregnancy self, back to your pre-pregnancy clothes, job, sex life and interests as if you never had a baby. This concept intersects with being measured up against your pre-child state and your new life with a baby or young children. You can't always go at the same pace or speed at which you once could and you are not always interested in the things you once were.
Part of pregnancy and the journey to becoming a mother involves dreaming and planing, what life will be like with your baby. I ask Kari, about her pre-birth expectations of life with a baby and what a more truer perspective of becoming a mother is. Kari says “one thing you can count on, is that there are unknowns. To know that life isn't going to be a straight line. Have a plan and be open to the mystery of becoming a mother.”
Sometimes birth doesn't go to plan, despite how much preparation and planning happens. Kari, mentioned her birth was a traumatic experience. I wanted to know more about her experience and how it has shaped and changed her perspective on life, work and herself.
More covered in this episode:
Motherhood as a powerful opportunity for transformation.
Birth as a Rite of Passage and the commercialism of motherhood
Take a listen to our interview with Kari Azuma here:
Connect with Kari at kariazuma.com.
This episode was written and produced by Lara Martin.
I don't know about you, but subconsciously I've been looking for this word - matrescence - and the social movement it will bring, for a long time.
Matrescence is the "time of mother-becoming", as defined by anthropologist, Dana Rafael back in the 1970's in her essay "Matrescence, Becoming a Mother, A New/Old Rite de passage".
How is it this much needed term has taken so long to enter common parlance? Why is it when pregnant, we don't speak of ourselves as 'going through matrescence' and spend our pregnancy preparing for this great transition when the baby arrives?
Feminist motherhood writers such as Andrea O'Reilly would have a lot to say on the reasons behind this, but in this piece, I'm keen to simply be a part of raising awareness of the term matrescence. Why? Once we have a name for an issue, it makes it so much easier to start addressing it.
Dr Oscar Serrallach holds a similar passion for raising awareness of matrescence and the need for support for it, because he sees most women across multiple generations have suffered from a lack of awareness, and therefore a lack of support for this profound transformation of women.
Oscar got involved in this work through witnessing Caroline, his partner and mother to his three children, go through her own transformation and subsequent depletion of her health. He also saw mothers coming through through his medical practice literally worn down to a mere shadow of their former selves by the hardship of insufficiently supported parenting.
This wearing down we have witnessed in mothers of young children, and perhaps experienced in ourselves, leads to years of depletion, "postnatal depletion" as Oscar calls it, where a woman suffers physically, mentally, emotionally, creatively, spiritually.
"Like adolescence, matrescence needs support" says Oscar. This transitional period holds within it the potential for a woman to forge a new identity for herself and gain new insights in the world and her place in it. However to achieve fully fledged motherhood, a woman needs time and support to integrate her birthing and postnatal experiences into her new role.
Catch my interview with Oscar about Matrescence and postnatal depletion below.
The only part of my interview that couldn't fit into our national network podcast is Oscar's discussion of hormonal psychiatry, a burgeoning field that practitioners such as Dr Kelly Brogan are championing. Oscar cited a study of four severely depressed postnatal women who experienced rapid recovery after a 60 hour infusion of Brexanolone, which is related to the hormone allopregnanolone. This hormone is produced by the placenta, along with more than 200 hormones, and gaining a lot of interest in circles where perinatal depression is being researched and treated.
Other references on the changes that occur during Matrescence
Oscar also discusses the "massive upgrade" that happens to women's brains as a result of pregnancy, birth and the postpartum period, and some of the research for this is listed below.
By Sally Cusack
Are you a healthcare services consumer? Specifically - have you accessed any form of maternity healthcare services in the last few years?
On Friday May 25th 2018, Sally Cusack & I spent the day up at Tweed Heads, attending a Consultation workshop as part of the governments plans to develop a National Strategic Approach to Maternity Services. The consultation was hosted by the Australian Health Ministers Advisory Council (AHMAC). The expected outcome for the NSAMS project is a document to guide national maternity services policy.
Along with about 20 other people we debated and discussed, listened and contributed to the conversation. What should maternity services look like in the future? What are the main frameworks and who are the key stakeholders? What’s missing from the current system and how do we go about attaining a system that delivers better outcomes for mothers, their babies, their families and those that work within these systems?
I have the beautiful Sally Cusack in the studio, join us as we discuss all this and more on this special episode of Pregnancy, Birth & Beyond.
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Definitions and Links
The following definitions are taken from the Health Consumers NSW website. Visit their site for more information about consumer engagement.
Health Consumers are people who use health services, as well as their family and carers. This includes people who have used a health service in the past or who could potentially use the service in the future.
Maternity Consumer Advocate
A health consumer representative is a health consumer who has taken up a specific role to provide advice on behalf of consumers, with the overall aim of improving health care.
A consumer representative is often a consumer member of a committee, project or event who voices consumer perspectives and takes part in decision making on behalf of consumers. A health consumer representative may be nominated by and accountable to, a consumer organisation.
Usually the role is working with a health service (or consumer organisation) and is often in a volunteer capacity. Sometimes the role comes with a small payment to cover the consumer’s costs.
About this Episode
Producer/Host: Annalee Atia
Interviewee: Sally Cusack
She is Australia’s netball sweetheart; she has played for Australia 122 times and captained the national netball team for 4 years. She is Liz Ellis and besides winning two world championships and two commonwealth games, Liz has another tale to share: a journey to parenthood that was less than smooth.
During attempts to fall pregnant with a second child, Liz was hurtled into secondary infertility, experiencing, first hand, what it is to be a cog in the wheel of IVF treatments, enduring the grief of miscarriages (three). She and her husband went through this for 5 long years.
Liz understands this journey well and she knows how much a woman can yearn for a child, be it their first second or seventh. Today, as a parent to two beautiful children Liz can look back on the 5 years it took to get here and know that this has changed her irrevocably and she is passionate about sharing all she learned with others. So much so that she Liz embarked on a book, If At First You Don’t Conceive, which offers a beacon of light as it guides other women and their partners struggling through the funnel of fertility challenges.
The beauty of her book is Liz not only tackles IVF- she recognises there are other paths women and men can take and she includes these in her book too.
In this episode, Liz pleads with women to, ‘engage with your own fertility. Be the driving force and be empowered about your own journey’.
Have a listen to what she has to say. Then go out and buy her book. It’s worth it.
(In listening to this podcast, please note there is her small child in the background.)
Author and Podcast Producer: Kimberley Lipschus
Mothers in Business - the first years is the topic of our show today, we are excited to have two gorgeous mothers from our local community here in the Northern Rivers of NSW, Meggie Danielson & Alona Rosenberg of WeMove studio in Mullumbimby and many more adventures! Well looking into the life of mothers over a series of 6 shows in the coming year and this episode here is our first. We wanted to look at the joys and challenges of being a mother and small business owner servicing the local community. We’re also in the business of celebrating women and acknowledging the unique needs & desires mothers have for themselves, their families and communities here at PBB. Wonderful today, both our guests migrated to Australia and have chosen our beautiful shire as the place to raise their children.
Alona was born in Tel Aviv, Israel and graduated from the renowned Thelma Yelin Performance and Arts School and also has a BA in Design and Psychology from the Open University. She has worked as an independent artist, dancer and choreographer in Australia as well as in Israel. From 2012- 2015 Alona worked with the Yasmin Goder Company and is an avid fan of the Ohad Naharin Gaga technique. Alona was part of the Dirty Feet collective in Sydney ( 2009- 2011) and participated in different site-specific dance works including: ‘The fish that swam against the current’ that was co choreographed with Shira Aviatar in 2012. She also worked alongside Elizabeth Ryan as a teacher for kids at ‘Big Steps Little Feet’ in Sydney. Since moving to Mullumbimby in 2016 Alona has worked with Kimberly Mcintyre in her choreography projects. She is a passionate movement teacher, performer and co-founder of the WeMove Dance and Movement Studio, Mullumbimby
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Producer & Host: Annalee Atia
Interviewees: Meggie Danielson & Alona Rosenberg
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